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	<title>Comments on: Bringing the Fans to MLS:  Part III-Soccer Fans</title>
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		<title>By: totoro</title>
		<link>http://footiebusiness.com/2009/08/11/bringing-the-fans-to-mls-part-iii-soccer-fans/#comment-8612</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 03:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How big a group are we talking here?  Seems like on MLS boards there&#039;s endless debates about how to draw fans...soccer fans vs. families vs. non-fans -but-sports-fans-in-general vs. supporters vs the hated Eurosnobs.  

It makes sense you&#039;d want to go after soccer fans, but if the issue is quality of play, there&#039;s not much you can do there.  MLS is working in it, but it&#039;s a slow process, and if the competition is with EPL, La Liga, etc, the ROI surely is not there to make quality of play that level of priority.  The demographic of the &quot;soccer fan&quot; just doesn&#039;t seem large enough.

Seems like the goals should be keep appealing to families, support the supporters so they can drive the atmosphere with the goal of keeping it more enthusiastic than roudy.  Use both of these tacks to draw in the general sports fan gradually.  Ultimately it&#039;s about more than just filling stadiums through discount tickets.  You want people spending money on merchandise, and you want the sport to gain a following on tv.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How big a group are we talking here?  Seems like on MLS boards there&#8217;s endless debates about how to draw fans&#8230;soccer fans vs. families vs. non-fans -but-sports-fans-in-general vs. supporters vs the hated Eurosnobs.  </p>
<p>It makes sense you&#8217;d want to go after soccer fans, but if the issue is quality of play, there&#8217;s not much you can do there.  MLS is working in it, but it&#8217;s a slow process, and if the competition is with EPL, La Liga, etc, the ROI surely is not there to make quality of play that level of priority.  The demographic of the &#8220;soccer fan&#8221; just doesn&#8217;t seem large enough.</p>
<p>Seems like the goals should be keep appealing to families, support the supporters so they can drive the atmosphere with the goal of keeping it more enthusiastic than roudy.  Use both of these tacks to draw in the general sports fan gradually.  Ultimately it&#8217;s about more than just filling stadiums through discount tickets.  You want people spending money on merchandise, and you want the sport to gain a following on tv.</p>
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		<title>By: Bringing the Fans: Video Games &#171; Footiebusiness</title>
		<link>http://footiebusiness.com/2009/08/11/bringing-the-fans-to-mls-part-iii-soccer-fans/#comment-8447</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 01:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is part five of our MLS attendance series.  You can see part I here,  part II here, part III here and part IV here. We have collected anecdotes from hundreds of friends, coworkers, fans, families, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is part five of our MLS attendance series.  You can see part I here,  part II here, part III here and part IV here. We have collected anecdotes from hundreds of friends, coworkers, fans, families, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bringing the Fans to MLS: The Soccer Hater &#171; Footiebusiness</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bringing the Fans to MLS: The Soccer Hater &#171; Footiebusiness]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is part four of our MLS attendance series.  You can see part I here,  part II here and part III here. We have collected anecdotes from hundreds of friends, coworkers, fans, families, store owners and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is part four of our MLS attendance series.  You can see part I here,  part II here and part III here. We have collected anecdotes from hundreds of friends, coworkers, fans, families, store owners and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FIFA 2011 Hits the Stores: The Business of Video Games &#171; Footiebusiness</title>
		<link>http://footiebusiness.com/2009/08/11/bringing-the-fans-to-mls-part-iii-soccer-fans/#comment-6455</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FIFA 2011 Hits the Stores: The Business of Video Games &#171; Footiebusiness]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 01:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is part five of our MLS attendance series.  You can see part I here,  part II here, part III here and part IV here. We have collected anecdotes from hundreds of friends, coworkers, fans, families, [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mikey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 07:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is relegation so important to people?  It&#039;s an interesting idea, but seems secondary to continuing to work on quality of play and building stadium atmosphere in order to make attendance a more compelling experience. It also seems doubtful that MLS teams have the fan loyalty and revenue stream to survive relegation?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is relegation so important to people?  It&#8217;s an interesting idea, but seems secondary to continuing to work on quality of play and building stadium atmosphere in order to make attendance a more compelling experience. It also seems doubtful that MLS teams have the fan loyalty and revenue stream to survive relegation?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with a lot of what utePhan says. Quality will help tremendously, especially with the ugly style of play many MLS teams rely on. The Galaxy-Fire game on 8/20 being a prime example - featuring two of the &quot;best&quot; teams and on national TV, the Galaxy played almost the whole game with virtually all their men behind the ball on defense, waiting for the occasional space to counterattack. Do you think THAT will attract EPL fans?

Bowing and scraping to the almighty family (who doesn&#039;t care less about the game on the field) isn&#039;t the answer either (although in SLC my guess is they don&#039;t have a lot of choice). Treat the season ticket holders and supporters groups like gold - because they are. The supporters groups in particular make the game more exciting (did you see all the shots of the Sounders supporters during the game vs. Barca?). And make sure it&#039;s cheaper to be a STH than to walk up and buy tickets - that&#039;s a must.

One advantage to MLS is its far lower (than other pro sports) ticket prices. Focus some sales funds on colleges (where they&#039;re starting to form their sports viewing habits), and others on cross-promotion (local ads inserted in English/Euro soccer broadcasts).

And always - ALWAYS - listen to the fans. A guy like utePhan should have already been contacted by a RSL rep about his concerns. That&#039;s just good business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with a lot of what utePhan says. Quality will help tremendously, especially with the ugly style of play many MLS teams rely on. The Galaxy-Fire game on 8/20 being a prime example &#8211; featuring two of the &#8220;best&#8221; teams and on national TV, the Galaxy played almost the whole game with virtually all their men behind the ball on defense, waiting for the occasional space to counterattack. Do you think THAT will attract EPL fans?</p>
<p>Bowing and scraping to the almighty family (who doesn&#8217;t care less about the game on the field) isn&#8217;t the answer either (although in SLC my guess is they don&#8217;t have a lot of choice). Treat the season ticket holders and supporters groups like gold &#8211; because they are. The supporters groups in particular make the game more exciting (did you see all the shots of the Sounders supporters during the game vs. Barca?). And make sure it&#8217;s cheaper to be a STH than to walk up and buy tickets &#8211; that&#8217;s a must.</p>
<p>One advantage to MLS is its far lower (than other pro sports) ticket prices. Focus some sales funds on colleges (where they&#8217;re starting to form their sports viewing habits), and others on cross-promotion (local ads inserted in English/Euro soccer broadcasts).</p>
<p>And always &#8211; ALWAYS &#8211; listen to the fans. A guy like utePhan should have already been contacted by a RSL rep about his concerns. That&#8217;s just good business.</p>
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		<title>By: utePhan</title>
		<link>http://footiebusiness.com/2009/08/11/bringing-the-fans-to-mls-part-iii-soccer-fans/#comment-556</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[utePhan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would consider myself in this category as well, but I have become a fan of MLS when we got a team here in Salt Lake.  Even having a local team to follow I found it difficult to become an MLS (in general) fan.  It wasn&#039;t until I started doing MLS fantasy football that I really started to learn the players throughout the league.

I am hoping I am an exception to the rule, but after being a season ticket holder for 4 years now my excitement for the league has definitely diminished rather than increased.  I believe there are 3 factors that have caused this:

1.  The treatment from the team front office.  I don&#039;t know how it is in other cities, but I feel like the RSL front office has focused its attention on other groups (like families and non-soccer fans) and has forgotten the &quot;hardcore&quot; fans.  Season ticket prices have increased every year, yet the promotions that are offered to get people to the games are so good that I feel like I&#039;m getting ripped off as a season ticket holder.  I could have easily bought tickets for every game via promotions, spent much less money, and actually had better seats at least 75% of the time this year.

2.  Referee quality.  I cannot tell you how many times an MLS game is decided by the referee.  Every game I go to I am just hoping the official doesn&#039;t think he has to make a name for himself and decide the game.  And no, I am not a fan that jeers at every call that goes against the home team.  Actually, I frequently find myself siding with away fans on the referee blunders.  There is rarely consistency and it makes the games unwatchable at times.  This is the main reason I stopped following the NBA and I think is a true detriment to MLS.

3.  Quality of play.  I do think the quality of play is slowing increasing in MLS, but not quickly enough.  The incredibly low salary cap and the league basically handling all salary negotiations is sending the best young domestic talent elsewhere.  If I was an up and coming talent, I know I would much rather play in a &quot;lower&quot; European league than in MLS with all of its restrictions and the league handling of transfers, etc.

I am still undecided, but am leaning towards not renewing my season tickets for next year.  I&#039;m sure I will continue to go to games, but I can see myself eventually losing all interest in the league if I don&#039;t see improvements in the near future.  Sorry for such a long post, but I thought I would share my story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would consider myself in this category as well, but I have become a fan of MLS when we got a team here in Salt Lake.  Even having a local team to follow I found it difficult to become an MLS (in general) fan.  It wasn&#8217;t until I started doing MLS fantasy football that I really started to learn the players throughout the league.</p>
<p>I am hoping I am an exception to the rule, but after being a season ticket holder for 4 years now my excitement for the league has definitely diminished rather than increased.  I believe there are 3 factors that have caused this:</p>
<p>1.  The treatment from the team front office.  I don&#8217;t know how it is in other cities, but I feel like the RSL front office has focused its attention on other groups (like families and non-soccer fans) and has forgotten the &#8220;hardcore&#8221; fans.  Season ticket prices have increased every year, yet the promotions that are offered to get people to the games are so good that I feel like I&#8217;m getting ripped off as a season ticket holder.  I could have easily bought tickets for every game via promotions, spent much less money, and actually had better seats at least 75% of the time this year.</p>
<p>2.  Referee quality.  I cannot tell you how many times an MLS game is decided by the referee.  Every game I go to I am just hoping the official doesn&#8217;t think he has to make a name for himself and decide the game.  And no, I am not a fan that jeers at every call that goes against the home team.  Actually, I frequently find myself siding with away fans on the referee blunders.  There is rarely consistency and it makes the games unwatchable at times.  This is the main reason I stopped following the NBA and I think is a true detriment to MLS.</p>
<p>3.  Quality of play.  I do think the quality of play is slowing increasing in MLS, but not quickly enough.  The incredibly low salary cap and the league basically handling all salary negotiations is sending the best young domestic talent elsewhere.  If I was an up and coming talent, I know I would much rather play in a &#8220;lower&#8221; European league than in MLS with all of its restrictions and the league handling of transfers, etc.</p>
<p>I am still undecided, but am leaning towards not renewing my season tickets for next year.  I&#8217;m sure I will continue to go to games, but I can see myself eventually losing all interest in the league if I don&#8217;t see improvements in the near future.  Sorry for such a long post, but I thought I would share my story.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Berger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Berger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phil:

I like your story and I think it is more common than many think.

Erik:  Why do you think that?

From a business standpoint, I don&#039;t think the investors putting up money to buy franchises would sign on for pro/rel.  In a salary cap League, one or two injuries can turn a mid-table team into a relegated one with nothing to be done to salvage it.  In this environment, do you think the business model could support pro/rel?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil:</p>
<p>I like your story and I think it is more common than many think.</p>
<p>Erik:  Why do you think that?</p>
<p>From a business standpoint, I don&#8217;t think the investors putting up money to buy franchises would sign on for pro/rel.  In a salary cap League, one or two injuries can turn a mid-table team into a relegated one with nothing to be done to salvage it.  In this environment, do you think the business model could support pro/rel?</p>
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		<title>By: Erick1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erick1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pro/rel is the way you will draw soccer fans to MLS.

Look at how many cities have USL teams?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pro/rel is the way you will draw soccer fans to MLS.</p>
<p>Look at how many cities have USL teams?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I fall somewhere into this category! I played Footy in College and HS and have always loved the game, but never was big into it except at WC time or Olympics time. Over the last year I began my personal journey to discover the EPL (full knowing that MLS had a team in my backyard in DC united) I determined I was a Liverpool fan, so over the last year I have tirelessly scoured the internet for footy news day in and day out on my beloved Reds. I have spent money on kits and bar tabs at my local Liverpool FC bar and paid big money to see Chelsea(who I hate) play AC Milan(Go GOOCH) however it was not until two weeks ago a friend of mine who is an avid DC united supporter season tickets and all took me to see DC united vs Real Madrid and i was blow away the atmosphere the fans and the vibe were great! I am now planning on buying season tickets and splitting my devotion between Liverpool FC and DC United and USMNT ( I may or may not attempt to leave work early on a consistent basis i to watch these teams play! As an American I hope that MLS is successful because when you see players like Charlie Davis and Jozy Altidore and Gooch make it on the world stage comming from MLS you feel pride in the domestic league and what it has to offer!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fall somewhere into this category! I played Footy in College and HS and have always loved the game, but never was big into it except at WC time or Olympics time. Over the last year I began my personal journey to discover the EPL (full knowing that MLS had a team in my backyard in DC united) I determined I was a Liverpool fan, so over the last year I have tirelessly scoured the internet for footy news day in and day out on my beloved Reds. I have spent money on kits and bar tabs at my local Liverpool FC bar and paid big money to see Chelsea(who I hate) play AC Milan(Go GOOCH) however it was not until two weeks ago a friend of mine who is an avid DC united supporter season tickets and all took me to see DC united vs Real Madrid and i was blow away the atmosphere the fans and the vibe were great! I am now planning on buying season tickets and splitting my devotion between Liverpool FC and DC United and USMNT ( I may or may not attempt to leave work early on a consistent basis i to watch these teams play! As an American I hope that MLS is successful because when you see players like Charlie Davis and Jozy Altidore and Gooch make it on the world stage comming from MLS you feel pride in the domestic league and what it has to offer!</p>
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